Yeah when I used to run gnome, It was just super minimalistic and a couple of extra options. Katie was like the cockpit of a fighter jet with switches and options just thrown everywhere. But now it seems like KDE has kind of cleaned up the options. I know Miss still struggling to get basic features not to break in between versions. I would have imagined by now that they would have brought some of the plug-in features in or at least made the APIs not break every time.