The urge to comment “I use Arch btw” is overwhelming

Hmmm, I’m just not sure - what qualifies as an active part? I think what for me matters is if your action has signicifact influence. Would you change the situation if you would’ve acted otherwise? I think for these day-to-day cases, I think it is a strong claim to make that “if you wouldn’t have used these apps, the situation for the delivery drivers would be different”. It is different for influences - both in the social media realm and people with money/power, whose actions - or non-actions - actually can change the situation of the workers. But if your action - or non-action - won’t change the situation, then how can one claim that one is actively making it worse?

I think you raise a good point, I agree. Especially that the problem is very systematic.

Okay, makes sense - I fully agree. Just wanted to clarify :)

I dont think so, that isn’t necessarily the case. I think people in capitalist economies can also contribute out of their own free will, because they have fun with the project. To put it so that they only do it not to starve is, in my opinion, too harsh. I do lots of things in this economy because I have fun with them, not because I dont want to starve. However, I think that of course the aspect “I need food” is always a factor and an influence. Just very often not the only one.

True, I probably agree. I’ve thought about it as well. I think it is just important for me to clarify that using the app isn’t bad in itself, but I agree with you - if you don’t tip someone who depends on it, you dont oppose the exploitation of the workers and actively profit from it.

Oh, I’ve never played it - would you rrecommend it?

Movie: Interstellar and Inception. Great mind-changing works, and they really influenced (especially Interstellar) how I perceive the world. Very deep, but also very “on-point”. Book: The Cloud (“Die Wolke”) is a book about the consequences of a radioactive catastrophe. It is written in German and is a young adults novel, and when I read it it really stuck with me. Game: Morrowind - great game, very open to interpretation. It has a lot of very deep sub-tones, but also doesn’t go overboard and stays a game. Big recommendation :) Also Locks Quest as a video game - it is kind of a tower defense game, but also with a character ark. I really like it. Music: The OST from Locks Quest. I always listen to it when I’m stressed, and it is really nostalgic to me.

Second Morrowind. Great game, nothing else came after this. I think not everyone will like it, but the art style is really unique.

I disagree. By ordering via these apps, you contribute to the people who exploit the drivers, but you don’t make the decision to exploit them. It is a very big difference, in my opinion, because by ordering you don’t decide the drivers should be exploited. It is the decision of the CEOs to do it, and while you of course have a part in it, I think it is a strong claim to say that OP is actively making it worse.

But didn’t they had the issue with supporting MQA, which kinda was a scam? As far as I know they now switched to FLAC, but it still feels a bit weird.

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Silverblue gang!

I think you have raised an excellent point, which also led me to reconsider my thoughts. Truly, when you argue with my definition, a Fedora workstation in an enterprise where an end user cannot install apps shouldn’t be considered Linux, because the end user isn’t able to install apps on it. A few of the points you raised (e.g. LXD) I haven’t even known existed. But I e.g. use Fedora Silverblue, and with Toolbox you can emulate a Ubuntu distro. Should then Silverblue be not considered a Linux distro because it doesn’t offer installing native packages by itself? That would be a risky argument to make. So in the end, I thank you for the points you raised. You have led me to reconsider the topic. I especially didn’t knew that Crostini was based on a Linux stack, I always thought that it was a side-loaded emulator which “replaced” ChromeOS - which even isn’t logical, as I now see. So thank you, I learned something new from today and will pay more attention to see ChromeOS not as something distinct from Linux, but just as a distro with a “Google-y touch” on it. Especially now with ChromeFlex, where you can install it on every PC with a processor => toaster, it has truly become a Linux distro.

I think you raise an interesting point. I haven’t considered Red Hat Linux, but according to my definition this shouldn’t be Linux then… I still don’t think I feel fully comfortable calling it Linux, because a lot of stuff is watered down. Years ago I used Cloudready, and even though it was based on ChromeOS it used Flathub. I think for me that made a huge difference, because then I could install Steam, LibreOffice, Zoom and Firefox on my ChromiumOS laptop, without having to go through a Linux emulator. I still want to knoe why Google didn’t use this functionality in mainstream ChromeOS.

In the current version of ChromeOS, as far as I know, either you sideload Linux or Google completely controls all app stores. For me that is a fundamental conflict with the promise of freedom and user control that Linux gives - with a simple sudo you can be lord of the world. I think your comment made me realize that that ChromeOS cannot be called not Linux, because it clearly has similarities. But Red Hat doesn’t control your way of getting new apps. For me that is a major difference. Ultimately one could raise a point that MacOS is also Linux, because it uses Darwin - and so I think we need to use different definitions than just a pure “we share same technical basis”.

I wouldn’t say ChromeOS can be clarified as Linux for the sake of this number. While it of course is bases on the kernel, it still is in the hands of one company and definitely not free software. While we may talk about ChromiumOS, I would differentiate here for the sake of control over your OS.

Yeah, I don’t get it either. Like 95% of the stuff they promote is already out there in Fedora for a long time. It isn’t anything special to Zorin.