I would really rather that these were actual examples, and not conspiracy theories. We all have our own unsubstantiated ideas about what shadowy no-gooders are doing, but I’d rather hear about things that are actually happening.

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      You are clearly a republican. The two parties are not the same in any way. Republicans at this point are just nazism, Democrats are not the best but not even remotely as evil. It’s not even the same fucking sport.

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        You are clearly a republican.

        Liberals realizing that socialists exist. Challenge: impossible.

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          Why would a socialist think the US Republicans are the same as the US Democrats?

          Just because you disagree with both parties doesn’t mean they’re the same…

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            Yes, we have one party here. But so does America. Except, with typical extravagance, they have two of them. — Julius Nyerere

            Liberal democracy is the dictatorship of the capitalist class.

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            Tell me again which party I can vote for that will stop dropping bombs on other countries?

            Acting like the fact that there is a difference in domestic policies of the two parties, but ignoring the fact that the foreign policies of the two are not substantially different while killing a fuck ton of people is just another way to say that killing brown people in other countries is A-Okay with you and something you don’t think should be argued about.

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              I agree that there is an unfortunate bipartisan consensus on national security issues that is normalized bombings.

              I would nevertheless say you can find significant differences on foreign policy. And, you can find huge huge huge differences on domestic policy, on things like respect for the rule of law, on the type of people appointed to courts, on economic policy.

              So I think you raise a legitimate concern, but then you proceed to completely abuse it by trying to make that concern stand in for the whole of everything that matters about political decisions.

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              So you’re saying one of them makes the world less worse, and is therefore preferable to the one that makes it more worse.

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                Not when genocide is one of the agreed upon actions.

                Your argument is logically an argument of harm reduction.

                It fails when you’re trying to convince people that this genocide is better because the other sides genocide would be worse.

                I will not vote for genocide.

                No attempt to shame me and people like me for not voting for genocide will work.

                Just by the by, genocide is a red line for a lot of people. Shame as a tactic for getting people to vote for your party works only up to a line.

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                  When your options are:

                  50% dead
                  100% dead

                  Having only these options suck, but one of those is clearly worse, and if your tax dollars will be used for one your abstemiousness does the 50% who could have lived no favors.

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                  So, to be clear, you would rather have more genocide than to acknowledge in this imperfect world, sometimes harm reduction is the best that is available to us. Do you think a trump admin would have been counseling Israel not to be flattening the West Bank? Because that’s what the Biden admin has been doing, and I’m pretty sure that a trump admin would be cheering them on and demanding bloodshed, which to me seems worse. And yes, you’d get to feel better about not participating in the system, but your hands would in fact have more blood on them. You just wouldn’t notice it.

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                    Genocide is not harm reduction.

                    You’re an idiot that thinks you can find an optimal strategy in the prisoners dilemma with a single iteration.

                    ‘Republicans fear their base, the Democratic party has contempt for theirs’ is a quote for a reason. It’s time to change that, otherwise things will just get slowly worse.

                    It also doesn’t matter. The Arab population in the Midwest swing States are a large enough block within the Democratic party there that they are required.

                    Biden went from having a majority of them as voters to having a single percentage stating that they will vote for him because they correctly see him as committing genocide against an ethnic group they identify with. It is impossible for Biden to win the Midwest now.

                    The responsibility for Biden and the Democratic parties decision to commit genocide lies with them.

                    If they wanted to win, or walk away from that, they should have allowed debates and a vibrant primary election, instead of breaking their own rules to block them in at least 4 States so far.

                    Fucking dumb shit asshole trying to shift the blame for the consequences of the parties actions on to the voters. Voters owe the party nothing. The party needs to earn votes and fight for them.

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        They arent the same. They both want to fuck us in the ass but Democrats use lube.

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      Let’s see if we can find any differences. Which party supports gun laws? Which party supports women’s rights to bodily autonomy? Which party supports mail in ballots? Which party believes that there was an attempted insurrection on Jan 6, 2021? Which party does not tout the ‘stollen’ election lie? Which party knows ‘stollen’ is not how you spell stolen? (Just a little joke to break up the wall of text.

      Now for a few other points which may help you see if they’re both the same…

      Which party refuses to even discuss putting any limits on gun rights? Which party believes a single cell nonviable organism trump’s a woman’s right to bodily autonomy? Which party thinks mail in ballots are an absolute no-go? Which party believes what happened on Jan 6 was a “peaceful protest”? Which party tells its constituents that the 2020 election was stolen?

      And last, but most importantly of all, which party has closed ranks around a past president who tried to overthrow the counting of the electoral counts, who has been caught on several audio recordings pressuring state officials to throw out their electoral votes?

      Maybe it’s just me, but I see a BIG difference.

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        Which party supports genocide in Palestine and continuously providing weapons around the world?

        Which party is incapable of recognizing the relationship between all of our military spending, and worsening conditions at home?

        Which party wants to continue acting like the world oceans are theirs and no one else has any right to control over them?

        Which party is willing to use force to enforce the view above?

        I’m old enough that I remember a time when the US was at peace (not that it was peaceful), and there was actual political debates around foreign policy, rather than a bipartisan consensus that if you stayed from will get you called a dictator-of-the-month sympathizer.

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        Right, this is what it means to have a sober and comprehensive look at the issues that separate the parties. Nobody who says both parties are the same ever seems capable of participating in this type of conversation, they just talk in memes.

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      One side will tell you otherwise while voting for a zionist that’s funding a genocide lol